January 26, 2005
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A lot of discussion about why tags are so useful (folksonomies is the current buzzword) on Many2Many. As I noted in a previous post, at the moment there are services that allows you to tag: URLs (del.icio.us), photos (flickr), your emails (gmail), posts on metafilter (metafilter), posts on your blog (technorati, using <a ref="tag">), scientific papers (citeulike), todo items (43things) and books (bookswelike, which I just discovered).
But what we would really really really enjoy is MUSIC TAGGING!
So, is there a site where it is possible to apply free tags to songs? And to collections of songs? I'm not aware of such a site. I mean totally free tags (such as PsyChill or MaleNeuvoFolk) to express your personal categorization of a set of songs and not ID3 tags.
I think WebJay should be our friend here. Let me first say that I'm in total love with webjay, a site that helps you listen to and publish web playlists, i.e. collections of mp3s (and other formats) available on the web. Here are my webjay playlists.
So, coming back to the subject of the post, I definitely think we would enjoy a free-tagging music site and I think WebJay is the best candidate and Lucas Gonze (the developer of webjay) totally rocks. Anyway, Seb (@WJ) was arguing on webjay forum some time ago that "Webjay Needs Tags" and the entire discussion (7 posts) is really interesting. Lucas is not that convinced since he argues that playlists and tags are very different metaphors and very different organizing principles and also that "WJ is radically constrained by the lack of money".
I think tags could be applied both to playlists (I tag this playlist as "mellow") and single songs (I tag this song as "PsyChill"). Both ways seems appealing to me about what they can produce, for example: "let me see all the playlists tagged as 'mellowblues' or "i've 30 free minutes, play me a collection of 'coldrelax' songs"). The good of tags is that they are not imposed from the top (i agree with riddle (@wj) when he says "I'm glad that you didn't impose a preconceived notion of genre on Webjay") but they emerge from the bottom. Lastly, hideout (@WJ) proposes to use del.icio.us system to tag playlists since every playlist has a permanent URL. This can be a low-impact-on-webjay solution and very small-pieces-loosely-connected one and i definitely think it can make sense. Maybe it would be better if Lucas integrates the remote tagging made on del.icio.us on WebJay interface in order to make it in some way visible and promote its usage.
What do you think? Want to share your point of view? You can either do it on WebJay Forum or with a comment here. Music free tagging is the next step! [ehm, I think I'm not good in inventing new words ... so i leave to you the option to invent the new cool buzzword for music-free-tagging].
I'm thinking about this a lot. Gotta factor it, get a sense of what tags mean in the context of Webjay, figure out how to do it in a minimal way.
I wrote some additional comments on the forum [http://webjay.org/geeklog-1.3.8-1sr2/public_html/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=823] nothing clear thinking, just some entropy ;-)
anyway seb posted something and also tomwsmf.
we could all together discuss it in the forum on in some chat session (you call it on your wiki) and i think we also need a real-time-whiteboard.
I guess you can see the potential of tags in music ... adaptive radios, emerging catalogues, ... how you can make money out of it however remains a total mister to me. what can you sell while there is information on your site? just hope to be bought by yahoo or google? uhm... thinking ....
How I make money out of it is a total mystery to me too.
I dunno, Paolo, to a large degree what you're thinking of is a different application, one that's about cataloging, except specialized in music. I don't see how that's different than putting a playthispage link in delicious whenever there's an audio or video file.
Maybe we can approach this from the other direction at the same time -- have you asked Josh Schacter to add Webjay to del.icio.us?
Just read a post on Paolo Massa's Blog, where he requests to add a Flickr/ del.icio.us/ Technorati style of tagging to Webjay music playlists. In hip speak this practice is called a "folksonomy".
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