I bet that one year is perhaps slightly optimistic and that it will take more than one and less than two.

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I think Google and Yahoo! are running in order to arrive there first. So I think it will happen soon, very soon. As you see in the UPDATE I inserted in the post, the software is already there, Google (or Yahoo!) has just to write some backend code: record the documents every user is editing, basically.
Concurrency is a good thing! Microsoft, the big monopolist, has no incentives in doing it. Google, Yahoo! and possibly also IBM, HP, etc have a lot of incentives.

At least do you agree with me that Microsoft shares will go near 0 when this service is announced? I think that everyone will use it in less than one month or you think people will keep using their desktop Suite Office?

I do not think that ajax office will blow up every other Office suite right from the beginning. For instance, Gmail did not blow up for the time being other web-based email services, although it is a pretty good application that made me switching back to web-based email and leaving Thunderbird. People lazyness will be quite a factor in this mass migration, and you should consider that not everyone has broadband access to the Internet. Ajax Office will surely build up a user base, but IMO not as fast as you suggest.
Now let's first wait for Ajax Office to show up :)

Yes, you are right. I wrote the comment but I was not believing it myself. And, of course as you say, not everyone has broadband connection (but she will, maybe in 10 years but she will).

Ok, let's wait (... or maybe let's create it, no? I'm bored to just wait some US company to create the next cool service...)

Good idea, it might be a project to start as soon as I arrive in Trento.
Should we start ajaxoffice.sourceforge.net ?
Well, just joking, my programming skills are way below what is required for such a task.
Do you know of any FLOSS project working on this ?

Have you ever tried to use FCKEditor für more than casual bold-and-italic formatting? I can say from my personal experience that it has a long way to go until it supports applicable styles for paragraphs as good as a simple word processor like WordPad or TextEdit.

Gabriel, you are probably right. Anyway if I was to tell you "there will be a browser-based email client faster and better than thunderbird", would you have believed it?
Anyway, feel free to add your comments/ideas on the ajaxoffice wiki at http://ajaxoffice.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Useful_packages_for_Ajax_Office
See you there? ;-)

I agree that this is coming. And I agree that it will take a while. We're doing a word processor on the web: www.writely.com.

It's both easier and harder than it seems to do this on the web. Easier because you can be iterative and you can carve out smaller parts of the problem. Harder, because it's hard to get really good usability out of an Ajax app, unless you pay a lot of attention.

I think the most interesting part of this is not to do the big, bloated, heavy office suite that MS has done, but to do lots of little, light, focused, easy to use apps (Backpack, Basecamp, Writely :) that can share data, be always around, etc.

Give us a try if you like, I'd love to hear what people think.

There is already one out there:
http://www.goffice.com/

In my opinion, it's just some gimmick. AJAX Office app? No way dude... if the Internet is down, no productivity? No thanks!

You know, although AJAXOffice would be great as part of a Yahoo! or Google or Hotmail, (Pick of the litter really.),

it would also be extremely useful as an offline portable office, imagine having a complete office suite with perhaps even an Ajax IM client and Email Program stored on a USB stick. Platform independant and quick. (Possibly safe too, a folder on the stick stores everything that is created / edited.)

What do people think?

My second comment is that symphonyos, a linux distro (you can find it at www.symphonyos.com ), uses a rather uniqe desktop system. (To be precise, JAX amongst other things will be part of the desktop and the OS.)

Therefore adding an AJAX office Suite would be rather benificial to the project as it would most likely make it quite a bit more lightweight. (And I would use it. Hehe.) Just a thought.

Anyway, A cool idea, hope it's manifested soon, I'd use it if it could be run easily offline. (Basicly platform independant workstation on a USB stick = heaven for the writer.)

Cheers!
-Tim

PS: Once this is made and localisation becomes a reality, sign me up for norwegian translations.

If someone needs to tell you about the existence of HTMLArea, TinyMCE and FCKEditor ... then you should increment that planning of yours with another 2 years.

Which leads to, how did you make up the one year planning. Or did you just needed some attention.

Tim, it seems that there is already an Ajax IM (Instant Messagging)

http://www.unwieldy.net/ajaxim/

jax im ("asynchronous javascript and xml instant messenger") is a browser-based instant messaging client. It uses the XMLHTTPRequest object in JavaScript to send and receive commands to and from the server. No refreshing of the page is ever needed for this "web application" to work, as everything is updated in real-time via JavaScript.

demo at http://ajaxim.unwieldy.net/

and yes, check Attentiontrust.org

Everyone feel free to contribute to the wiki at
http://ajaxoffice.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Paolo: Yes, I was aware of the Ajax IM project. Just thought it fitted the part in the puzzle. :)

Cheers!
-Tim

I think you should remove the ajax office SF page. It is not a 'project in progress', it's just a bunch of links with an exceedingly ugly logo. Either start coding or step down. That page is just a bunch of hot air right now. Why did you register it? Do you want to take credit for 'coming up' with the idea? Yeah, like a million AJAX guys haven't thought the same thing. Again: start coding or STEP DOWN.

Also, you must be aware of Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/product/

ok, mike (not at home dot nl). i received some emails of people that are willing to be involved in the project. I will see in short if they have the energy to carry on the project and, if not, i'll shut down the project.

A web browser based office (under GPL or similar) will change the world.
Most of its out there already so DONT FORGET TO PLAGIARISE!
But have a look at fckeditor - does it really need to be AJAX?
Cuyahoga (http://www.cuyahoga-project.org/)looks like a good place to start - thats 'word'/web site sorted

Mix that in with Zimbra (not really sure what that license is all about) and thats e-mail sorted
XL - theres a few JS
I've a lot of ideas on this and would like to get involved but my next child is due today so I might be busy!

The nae-sayers ("Start coding or step down") have their points. I see questions of design that a clever high-school student would have answers to, and remind myself to value good questions; I see people posting replies in the email list outside the thread and wondering what they know about threading but remind myself that most folk don't answer at all; I see folk talking about an AJAX project and suggesting that Java would be the more appropriate language ... and in the end I wonder, after having been so often turned off by the bunch of shysters who've made IT what it's thought to be ... how is it that this bunch of individuals have dared take this on?
*shrug*

When someone wants to fork a conversation into the realm of tantra and group dynamics I'll follow this. For the moment I need to ponder if this culture of sophists has killed off everyone with the spine to do MIL-SPEC docs.
*shrug*

"Youth is wasted on the young" might be true ... I can only say that it isn't always a waste.

cheers
best of the season to everyone

ben

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